Some of you know already what happened, if you, the reader, do not know, then probably it is not your business, you do not play that game, or play in other part of the world. I will not whine for my position to be understood and accepted. But I bet some people want some explanations. Cause I am too tired to explain it to each and other separately, please allow me to put a statement here.
1) I did not give kde's cities back,given me because book playing kde (sic!) wanted to avoid anarchy cons, because I want to protest against password abusing. I support giving password to some people you trust in case of emergency, but city trading is against basic principles. I want a game without teleporting, unit trading - maybe freeciv works that way now, but it is our fault, we forgot the civ part of the name. It is the game of civilisations. Citizens are not supposed to be happy with their nationality changing several times a day.
2) I did not kde's cities back, because he ... committed treason I never imagined possible before. Maybe cause I did not imagine someone like kde. But - he allied with me, and then he allied someone I believed to be my enemy, not asking about that, nor noticing even the fact I could have some plans. We are fair now. I bet kde did not expect that too.
3) 3. was edited out. I simply had reason I do not like to mention here. I am not emotional exhibitionist, ok? But that was emotional. Despite some beliefs the longturn became the distant, coldhearted race of who will teleport units faster, some people still like to put some heart in it, ok? I prefer to be defeated and happy to winning being disgusted with myself.
4) I left alliance of book and durandal and others ( whom I will not mention, maybe readers still do not connect them together? ) for single reason I believed them not considering me equal, and that I thought I'll leave them sooner than they will attack me. Points (1,2,3) and (4) are very vaguely connected together. I might as well stayed with book, but I guess they were too hypocrytic too accept that move oficially. Not my problem, I can play along as their enemy. If I am to be their personal enemy, I can play along as well. Not a big difference, to be honest, at least for me.
More details on that 1st point can be found in password sharing discussion.
vZ
1) I did not give kde's
Hey KDE - why are you still
Hey KDE - why are you still hanging around here? I though you found another cool game to play. You have messed up every LT game you have played.
In LT12 you said you were part of "DreamTeam2" and would come and get me due to who knows what is LT11 .... You even messed up the game for DreamTeam2!
KDE, you rather shut up. You
KDE, you rather shut up. You did this city giving in all 3 games I played with you (LT). Why you play when you actualy dont want to play? I dont think citytrading in general is a good for this game (may be thats why we have it disabeled on warservers?), but what YOU did (3 times) is much worse.
You stab us all in the back
You stab us all in the back when we trusted you completely and gave you everything you wanted (I even let you use marco polo for fuck's sake). You go back on your promises and play only for yourself instead of helping your allies. Then you make up this bullshit about protesting what you yourself do and profited from to rationalize screwing over your supposed friends.
Well the result is clear: we won't trust you ever again.
Well the result is clear: we
Book - I think the feel is mutual :-) However, I would point out that this has all eventuated from your decision to ally with KDE. Something I will never really understand.... Vonz didn't have many choices but have some agreement with KDE, you already had a natural alliance, did you really need yet another "buffer boy"?
I'm not sure who made that
I'm not sure who made that cool comment, janq or mrsynical...
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eminentia omnia vincit
why?
why?
Sorry Maho, it was merely a
Sorry Maho, it was merely a mockery since janq plays mrsynical ingame. :P
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eminentia omnia vincit
There is no reason to do a
There is no reason to do a comment under mrsynical's nick. Moreover, it would be quite cheeky I think.
Except that I did not ally
Except that I did not ally with you, promise that I would give you cities back that you gave me, then cancelled the alliance and attacked you. So please, how does that make the feeling mutual? The situation is completely different.
There is no such thing as a natural alliance. And there is no limit on allies, so why should I not ally with all my neighbors so that I wouldn't have to waste resources on pointless wars? It seems that most people play longturn just to mess things up for other players, not to actually play a good game or win for themselves or their allies.
"why should I not ally with
"why should I not ally with all my neighbors"
One good reason is when that person is going to cause you more harm than good.
I can write this now because KDE is dead in lt12.
But for the last week I have been at war with KDE. He left shared vision on. We have all been able to look at your position.
The mistake is yours. Accept it and stop whining.
Kevin
feeling mutual I meant to
I meant to say the feeling was mutual between vonz and yourself. I have had no real dealings with you (until this turn!?)
Et tu, Brute?
Et tu, Brute?
vonzegrad, You don't even
vonzegrad,
You don't even need to apologize. It is just a game. The point of a game is to win, and betrayal is maybe best option, as you will probably now own a huge chunk of land (but nobody will city trade with you again, lol)
You don't even need to
LOL
BTW: seems Almighty Durandal is idling :(
He said his goal is to stop
He said his goal is to stop city trading, so I don't think he will be bothered with people not city trading with him :p
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eminentia omnia vincit
because I want to protest
[03:03:46] Server: kevin551 has connected from ip081210072052.intelink.pl.
[03:05:34] Game: Lost connection: kevin551 from ip081210072052.intelink.pl (player kevin551).
same IP as vonzgred, you think well will listen to your excuses anymore? of course not. thanks for screwing the game, you will be paid back in LT13.
I am not apologizing. I
I am not apologizing. I never felt need to. I simply doubted that some people would see my point just through the deed itself, so I named it in simple words. I could underline essentials if still some people feel like needing it, apparently. Kde, why is it, that you can't understand your own language? Sharing is one step. Abusing is not even a second one, it's at least third, when we consider using second. I feel city trading is bad. I did not traded a city during that astonishingly long 108 seconds. I just reminded that Kevin asked me to move one unit and I did it. It would take much less time, if client did not lost it while logging out, and connection was cancelled on server side umpteen second later. Happy?
LT13? If I play it, which seems not likely due to scheduled visit to Warsaw for weeks of medical examinations, I doubt very much you will be able to pay me back.
I planned not to respong in that thread for some time more... but actually, I could not stop myself and not to confirm, that your wish is to be fullfilled. I am going back to hospital, sooner or later, you do not need to encourage me more and press your luck for ambulance to take me there again to fullfil your wish.
Now, I am really happy I left. I am sick, but I least I know it is not contagious. Your case may be different, God only knows what illness causes the sick to be a total asshole.
LOL man, i know what u did
LOL man, i know what u did in those 108 seconds, you used kevins forces to take one of my citys. confess NOW.
some new city names...
vonzgred goto insane asylum
you belong back in hospital
worthless lier
you belong back in
you belong back in hospital
In whole of its frankness, it is very elaborate. But it rather expands my opinion about you (plural you, actually), not the topic itself... And the fact you were so quick to share it with the world, underlines that opinion very nice.
sorry thats books city name
sorry thats books city name [as is the last one too], better give him credit or he wont be happy.
What ever you say your word
What ever you say your word counts for nothing since you have proven that you will lie and deceive to win any kind of advantage.
兵不厭詐 or (All Warfare
兵不厭詐
or (All Warfare is based on deception) -- Sun Tzu (Chapter 1, Paragraph 18)
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You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you. -- Leon Trotsky
it is you who screws LT
it is you who screws LT games. And about LT13 ... I m going to make a poll about to ban you if you will sign up.
who?
who?
KDE
KDE
Don't bother. In other topic
Don't bother. In other topic there was quick poll of "who is against banning kde from future games" and the sound of silence there was astonishing :) - case concluded.
msg to all: when you are so
msg to all: when you are so stupid (like KDE) or bored (like durand) or whatever (like mmm) LET ANYONE FROM WAITING LIST to take over your nation and DO NOT spoil the game by giving all ur cities out lettin one particular player get advantage for nothing.
I gave those citys to mmm,
I gave those citys to mmm, mmm said he would give them to book...
It's one of the reason, why
It's one of the reason, why citytrading should be disabled.
you rather stay quiet, janq
you rather stay quiet, janq :-)
LOL :-)
LOL :-)