LT XVII (25/30)
Tue, 11/03/2009 - 13:59 — maho
Team game. Join and choose your teammates.
Game will start few days after we have >=15 players AND all teams are established.
UPDATE: Game started. Connection details:
- host: longturn.org
- port: 5557
See also: LTXVII start announcement
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Comments
To JohnJ: (and others) I
To JohnJ: (and others)
I believe you will have to cancel your invitation to Kevapo before I will be able to receive your invite.
-canuck101
Sorry for not being prompt.
Sorry for not being prompt. I received the email invitations from pytoux's team but I did not see anywhere to accept them, so I just sent out my own invitations to his entire team. Just let me know if I'm doing this wrong.
-canuck101
Nice feature...
I can control myself ! :)
got the answer
I find it myself..it was pretty easy, on the main page of the site...aahh...I should read things more carefully..it will save my time and others too.
Merry Xtmas to you all
timer blocked??
Is there a reason that the timer is blocked? Christmas? When will it be unblocked? How do we know how many time is left before TC?
Thanks
foggedborders
Maho, foggedborders is not enabled in LT17. It is especially important to enable it in this game with lots of early fighting.
map size
wasn't map size voted to be proportional to # of players? I guess it should have been a bit smaller (20x27/30) but it's only 10% difference anyways.
tech research - some old problem appears again
I was researching "iron working".
Meanwhile some goodfellow stealed "bronze working" and "astronomy" replaced automatically my current research - I think this is "strange" because at the embassy I see another gamer research a tech above one I stealed from him (I haven't a tech goal)...
I changed "astronomy" with "bronze working" and the progrees was lost; I put back the "astronomy" (and after everything else possibly) but the progress was gone...
I ask if this is correct or may be some bug to pay attention in the future.
Thanks
(PS - sorry - is about ltex)
It Looks Bad :)
It looks bad for Kryon.
[11:26:44] Lost connection: Kryon from c-68-50-171-21.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Kryon).
[11:29:16] Server: dev has connected from c-68-50-171-21.hsd1.md.comcast.net.
[11:29:22] Lost connection: dev from c-68-50-171-21.hsd1.md.comcast.net.
(utc-time)
It was lt16, but for sure the same was on Lt17 ( port 5556 is default so logged to wrong port )
Re: Regarding Teams
dev wrote:
> the current, invite, join system is too confusing
Go to your teams tab and look under "They want to be with me in team". Accept some of those invitations.
Attachment
What do I need the attachment for?
In team play, is each technology jointly funded by all team members at the same time. Or is it that team members research different technology then share them around?
Candidates inactive
Some candidates don't even come to this site anymore.
WHy?
Sirdorius, please don't leave us! We need you! We'll be a team of 5.
How to join
Ok, how do I actually join the server. I don't see any long turn servers as listed on my client.
Game over?
The timeout is set to 0 since ~2009-12-24 01:30 before the turn ended and the game is practically stopped. What did happen?
Introduction
Hi all,
I'm new. I've always been a civ addict, and I've been tinkering with my own fc tilesets and rulesets for 2 years. I figure it's time to see how this thing actually goes down, right?
Job+Wife+Puppy=Life, but that's why I'm here and not on the pubs. If i can figure out how to join this thing, and if it fits with the rest of my lifestyle, i'll see you in there.
Which team should I join?
:system:
AIM: ngmgrand
GMAIL: vodot7@gmail.com
well, the game did not
sorry, wrong reply
Ok, how do I actually join
Ok, how do I actually join the server. I don't see any long turn servers as listed on my client.
For this game the port and server will be announced once the game has started. Note, as yet it has not started.
You type in the name and port when connecting as a network game. It will be something like:
host: civ.pagema.net
port: 5557
user/pass: as in longturn.org website
When game will start
When game will start (Sun/Mon), you will able to read connection details here.
They are in 4 players group
They are in 4 players group and they all wants to be in Kevapo in ally.
So they need to cancel invitation with Kevapo and accept your invitation, simple.
oh, it's a bug. you
oh, it's a bug. you shouldn't receive his invitation, because his inviting you was not legal - he already has invited 4 teammates and he cannot invite more until he cancel one of his existing invitation.
Invitation
I am seeking a 5th member for my team, and you seem to be my best option. I study my options at the Teams tab.
Therefore, I kernigh have sent an invitation to you system. By my suggestion, you should now visit the Teams tab and click the "accept" link next to my name; then you should invite or accept the other users of my team.
Beware that you cannot join any team unless all teammates agree. Because you signed on so late (you are the 30th player in a game planned for 15 players), we might not agree before the game starts at 13..14 December 2009. If administrator maho removes you from the game and starts the game without you, then you can join next game (LTXVIII) instead of this game (LTXVII).
re
Join us the dark side my friend!
the dark side
Done and done. The dark side, you say, yet we have skywalker? hmmmm...
:system:
I now has team
Thanks for taking me on as a 5th, guys.
Anybody here do write-ups of the games? Sort of an in-depth turn-by-turn analysis from a player's POV? I might attempt it for this one if I have the time. Pseudo-simultaneous play will make it more interesting.
Anybody here do write-ups
Anybody here do write-ups of the games? Sort of an in-depth turn-by-turn analysis from a player's POV?
See below for histories.
http://www.longturn.org/lt-gam...
They take a long time so not done that often. See below for an extensive history.
http://www.longturn.org/mrsyni...
yes,
how do we know who is actually going to play?
(edit, why does my reply end up here, I replied to "Candidates inactive" id: 831/8074)
how do we know who is
how do we know who is actually going to play?
You don't. We'll kick the idlers after a period, or eat them up.
(edit, why does my reply end up here, I replied to "Candidates inactive" id: 831/8074)
The threading system is a bit strange - use "cite" to make it more obvious.
What do I need the
What do I need the attachment for?
In case you want to look into the settings.
Yep, my bad. It is
Yep, my bad.
It is proportional, but I calculated values before I removed players. Sorry :).
re
Yes, and it triggered automatic maho to send me an useless email.
break
check http://longturn.org/mary-chris...
The timeout is set to 0
The timeout is set to 0 since ~2009-12-24 01:30 before the turn ended and the game is practically stopped. What did happen?
Merry Christmas delay
could you maho check logs if
could you maho check logs if Kryon logged on devs account to make moves? this is forbiden and it is cheat if yes
To be clear and quickl solve
To be clear and quickl solve this:
Local time for Kryon/dev was probably (90%) 5.30 - so of course they couldn't be in public place. ( Also Saturday 2nd Jan).
It's 99.9999% true that Kryon used dev's pass.
apology
yes, i did login for dev but i didn't move his units. i just checked whether his unit had moves and then I emailed dev to remind him play. I apologize if I violated an important rule by peeking at my teammate.
this is not the point that
this is not the point that you didnt move, you have logged in for someone else account, it is banished here and this time must be punishment, there is not broken delegation rule when someone back from free days and logged into his account when someone has his delegation, no, you have dev password and use it, it is illegal, if we will pass it this time this rule will be obsolate, because you did it and not get any punishment
yes, i did login for dev
yes, i did login for dev but i didn't move his units. i just checked whether his unit had moves and then I emailed dev to remind him play. I apologize if I violated an important rule by peeking at my teammate.
Why do you even have his password???? You may as well play for him if he can't remember to do his moves.
Ehh... Another game, another
Ehh... Another game, another problems. I think that we can 2 possibilities.
1. Relax and have fun (i checked how was that and thats true that units stayed the whole turn next to that empty city waiting for Dev)
2. Remove ALL "cheating" players from BOTH games
No matter what you wrote in the other topic(from ltXVI) it was breaking the rules and it must punished as well. You cannot say that there is bigger crime than there. We cannot judge that what is worse, breaking delegation rules in diplo FFA game or checking movement in no diplo team game.
And my last word is that i am a bit bored with such subject... Relax ppl, all of You
Fun? this is not fun to play
Fun? this is not fun to play with cheaters. It will be perfect to make a poll for this situation.
I hope that this time you
I hope that this time you were talking about both games:) Not only this one:) Otherwise it is Kali`s logic;) Kali and a cow;)
i am not talking about me,
i am not talking about me, so it is not Kali logic as you said
I am talking about poll like this
kick players from both accident
do not kick anyone
kick password cheater
kick delegation use cheater
Large vs small games
Maho, I'm glad you aren't waiting for LTXV to finish to start a new game. As I had mentioned in another post, I think that there should always be a pregame for 3 reasons:
1) most importantly, to attract more new LT players
2) for players who died early in the current game
3) for players who want to and have time to play multiple games simultaneously.
I suggest starting yet another 15-player pregame after this one starts for potential new players. Each new pregame will take longer to fill 15 players and will have more new players. So eventually, the Nth (probably 3rd or 4th) pregame won't be able to have 15 players until one of the games end. And, of course, a new large (30-player) game should start after the current large game (LTXV) ends.
In summary I think we should always simultaneously have a large ongoing game and a small pregame which starts with 15 players.
No longer small
This is no longer a small game really ;P
maho do you have a set start date for this yet?
ok, I would set start date
ok, I would set start date and what ., start without a teams? with one formed team?
I must wait until all teams will form. It must take a time.
I'm not saying you couldn't
I'm not saying you couldn't delay the start, but perhaps it will encourage people to organise their teams sooner :b?
team size
I had opened a vote for limiting team/alliance sizes but maho hasn't activated it yet. This game is small, so that vote might not apply to such small games. Should we limit team size for this game or do you think that no team will be too large anyways?
I forgot to mention that
I forgot to mention that this game has 4 players in team limit (but maybe we want different settings?)
3..4 players => 4..5 teams
If the game has around 15 players, then I would expect that each team have around 3 or 4 players, so that game have around 4 or 5 teams. The current team limit of 4 players is good.
Diplomacy setting.
Maho is diplomacy set to team only for this game.
Reduce Map Size
In a game of 15 players it might be best to reduce the map size by half otherwise we would all have a lot of empty space.
Also we may want to reduce the number of starting settlers back to 2. In a team game research is pooled by the team, so 4 cities each in a team of 4 would be equivalent to starting with 16 cities in a normal game.
Leaving these 2 issues alone may be ok because they might balance each other out. The first slows things down somewhat, the second speeds things up. My guess though is that the number of starting settlers will impact more.
where is that poll to
where is that poll to publish?
Good points
Yes, we should definitely reduce map size which I think is already too big even for 30 player games. Also, in the current game, I noticed that some players started alone with huge empty land and others started very close to each other with no land to expand.
Science was way too fast in LTXV, so we should definitely make science slower. Instead of reducing the # of settlers, we can also increase the researchcost.
Teams
How to make or join one?
Have you been at Teams tab?
Have you been at Teams tab? You can choose your preferences there ....
^
I suck too much to find it
To find 'Teams' tab
At top of page, to the right of the text 'LT XVII (16/30)', there are three links for 'View', 'Teams', 'Subscribers'. Click the 'Teams' link to go to the 'Teams' tab.
You can also use this direct link to the 'Teams' tab.
Team size
...this game has 4 players in team limit...
Strange I see a team of 5.
Maho can you confirm the size limit?
I'm looking to join a team
I'm looking to join a team of active players with good communication.
my mistake. It's "4
my mistake.
It's "4 teammates" limit, which makes max team size=5
Maximum team size is 5
Each of my team (Zodrac-merlin-kernigh-skywalker) and another team (JohnJ-dexter-Wolvic-pytoux) had only 4 players and no other invitations.
At my favorite Teams tab, I now see a team (det0r-maho-KingDrizzle-mrsynical-edrim) that has 5 players and a potential team (Marduk-kevin551-elrik-Kryon-dev) that would have 5 players after conflict.
My team has only 4 players, so I (kernigh) am inviting a 5th player. I am not wanting to ask teams with 5 players to remove a player. I think that team size of 5 players is too large for game with only 15 players, but LT XVII now has 27 players.
put me in a random team
I don't know anybody here, so I don't care in which team I end up. Oh, and how do I communicate with my team members? Google Talk?
It's impossible to put you
It's impossible to put you into random team. You must make a choice.
And how to communicate - first you can click on their name, click 'contact' tab and write an email to them. Next you can agree any channel you like.
hi
hi, this is my first time here, when does the game start?
as soon as either: - all
as soon as either:
- all players will group in teams
- all votings will end (2009-12-04 or later)
- herr Admin (me) become inpatient and will start game earlier
Start Date?
as soon as either:
- all players will group in teams
- all votings will end (2009-12-04 or later)
- herr Admin (me) become inpatient and will start game earlier
It seems the spaceship poll is still going. When is the end date for this poll?
Also - are you impatient yet??? we should start soon. Starting during Christmas/New Years may not be good for some people.
I think we should set a start date and put all people not in teams into their own teams.
http://www.longturn.org/ltxvi
http://www.longturn.org/ltxvii...
start game
Last voting will end at 2009-12-04 (IIRC). So, when that date arrive, I would like to start game.
However, teams are incomplete, and I doubt if they will be complete in week.
So, I think that I will need to do something with it. The easiest way is to cut players which didn't manage to make teams, or which makes conflict. If I do it today - then it would be: dev or Kryon, canuck101,urgo,terror,hydrazin,dmos62.
Also, I would suggest to merge small teams to bigger. Eg. Woj11 and Kevapo would make it better when merged with Tjal and Blob.
Freeciv Version?
I have freeciv 2.1.3 is that enough to play?
edit: also, I invited a few of the players awaiting a team. If I receive no response towards the commencement, will any team take me onboard?
ps: I'm a newb here, but I used to play civ 2.
edit2: So if it's team game, is it that the team all wins if one member wins?
Use any 2.1.x
Yes, freeciv 2.1.3 is enough to play LT XVII. The current version is 2.1.9, but all 2.1.x versions are compatible. I started an offline game in freeciv 2.1.4 but finished the same game in freeciv 2.1.9.
If you find freeciv 2.1.9 for your platform, then you might want it, because civclient 2.1.9 has a few more features. Middle-click of terrain gives more info. New commands (in Order menu, Select submenu) select multiple units so you can give same orders. View menu can show trade routes.
help teamin civserver says, "A team is a group of players that start out allied, with shared vision and embassies, and fight together to achieve team victory with averaged individual scores." The page at http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/... explains about alliance, shared vision and embassies.To prepare for LT XVII, I tried offline team game with AI players. I found that teams have a few more undocumented features. Firstly, the alliance is permanent, the "Cancel treaty" does nothing (though "Withdraw vision" seems to work). Secondly, and so importantly, the team shares all research. All team members research the same technology and share the same goal. I hope that I have not missed or forgotten any other features of teams.
re
I've read that in LT killing one unit doesn't kill the whole stack. Is there a mod that I need to get this effect or does it come with freeciv?
Edit: ok, so there is a ruleset that facilitate this?
On the freeciv page, it says:
"Though the game is played in turns, the players themselves do not take turns but are all allowed to move at once. At the beginning of each turn all units are assigned movement points, which are spent as they move and act. Using up movement points early in the turn may leave a unit without the ability to respond if an opponent approaches later in the turn"
I don't understand. It sounds like real-time-ish.
yes, it's a bit
yes, it's a bit real-time-ish.
I've read that in LT
I've read that in LT killing one unit doesn't kill the whole stack. Is there a mod that I need to get this effect or does it come with freeciv?
I think stack-kill is on at present. The settings are determined by the server setting and changes slightly for each game based on votes.
Regarding Teams
if i want to assemble a team with marduk elrik, kevin and Kryon, how can i go about doing that?
the current, invite, join system is too confusing
Once you invite Marduk,
Once you invite Marduk, Elrik, Kevin and Kryon - they will be notified about it, and they will have chance to reply to your invitation.
When they will invite you too (accept your invitation), then team will be created automatically.
Note, that when you add Marduk, and Marduk add you, then it makes team you+marduk. If you add Kevin, and Kevin add you, then it makes another team - you+kevin. kevin must accept marduk and marduk must accept kevin, in order to have team you+marduk+kevin. Otherwise - there is 2 conflicting teams, and if conflict is not resolved by you/your teammates, then it will be resolved by removing something by me when game start.
killstack = 1
I downloaded the settings and ruleset for LT XVI, because LT XVI is the predecessor to LT XVII. (The filename is "ltxvi-settings.tar_.bz2", but the actual format is ".tar.gz". My
pax -rjffails, so I instead usepax -rzf.)The relevant line is
killstack = 1in "ruleset/ltxvi/game.ruleset". So yes, you can kill stacks.rule set
How does this rule-set mechanism work? Do I have to download one for my client everytime it changes?
Can I be with one of the established teams that have only 4 players at the moment?
How does this rule-set
How does this rule-set mechanism work? Do I have to download one for my client everytime it changes?
No, you don't need to download anything.
Can I be with one of the established teams that have only 4 players at the moment?
Sure you can. Everyone can. All you need is acceptance of all 4 players of team you want to join.
Patches?
Do I need to install any patches for LT?
If no one accepts me, can you pull some strings with your admin status? :)
No, you don't need any
No, you don't need any patches.
No, I would not pull any strings. In fact it's impossible to "sneak" anyone to team without teammates consent - by design of team forming mechanism.
re
No one has accepted my invitations yet. How do I know if they have rejected me or just haven't seen the invitation yet?
not sure
I am not sure but if you also invite teamless players you'll have more chance. Notice that "bi" invites you, so if you invite him, at least you'll be safe from being kicked out by maho.
you won't know until you ask
you won't know until you ask them. But what's the difference?