LTeX 2.1 strikes back (20/30)

Almost everyone agreed that previous LTeX shouldn't be continued, so time to new LTeX.

Initial settings - the same as in LT XVI but with tlgive / tlrecv set to 60/40.

Host: ltex.longturn.org
Port: 5555

Players
#nametimealso controlled by
1maho2009-09-30 19:23:21.928664-
2silvano2009-09-30 19:27:18.179025-
3elrik2009-09-30 19:43:03.436186-
4syntron2009-09-30 20:21:00.177788-
5woj112009-10-01 08:50:00.207541-
6pipo2009-10-01 20:41:38.58957-
7Zodrac2009-10-01 21:19:18.751199-
8skywalker2009-10-01 22:02:53.232192-
9edrim2009-10-02 14:38:43.112463-
10det0r2009-10-02 23:19:31.422733-
11tjal2009-11-03 23:56:18.550874-
12sehsuvar2009-12-11 17:26:44.331519-
13Aethelend2009-12-18 07:44:13.583696-
14chatbot2009-12-18 21:39:46.792845-
15sokrat2010-01-01 22:56:56.114026-
16Aidorf2010-01-03 14:19:20.703937-
17Ohmega2010-01-06 09:59:59.574461-
18amarriner2010-01-07 19:43:20.433682-
19Paxy2010-02-11 20:50:11.488677-
20dalius2010-03-02 12:09:24.897951-

Comments

pipo's picture

Another strange thing, I

Another strange thing, I just researched trade and I am not able to produce caravans. Is there something about caravans that I forgot? I do have trade in my research tree. I do not have caravans in my production choices.

pipo's picture

Deserts ??

Maybe someone would refresh my memory. It seems to me, I see some deserts appearing in my area. Do we still have that special patch going on about terrain alteration? How is it working? Do we still want that?

Maybe I am just hallucinating. I do like to eat mushrooms.

pipo's picture

Anybody else on islandi

Anybody else on islandi 2??
So I can start killing something...

--
I am sure Hitler thought he was doing good. -- pipo

Hi everyone! Not played

Hi everyone! Not played Longturn in a very long time but I feel like some Freeciv action again! Is it possible to join this game or must I wait for the next one? Also, will Freeciv accept my username with a space, or should that be removed first? All I have done so far is click the sign me button.

amarriner's picture

Newbie

Hey all, just signed up for the game. I tried to play a longturn ages ago, but wasn't able to complete it. :( Hoping to do better this time. I'm awful at freeciv as I've barely played it, but looking forward to jumping in and getting crushed!

edrim's picture

Diplomatic abandon.

There is two barbarian nations picked by players.
Is there any adventages of being barbarian? because they cannot meet in diplomatic window, there is sentence after trying:

"Your diplomatic envoy was decapitated!"

I think this is a bug in spawning players that they can get barbarian nation.

every unit is loosing hp??

every unit is loosing hp?? As i remember my units lost only if i didn`t move them.

A couple of bugs

Hey maho,

A couple of (what I think are) bugs in LTeX at the moment:

- I used to have an embassy with kevin (Aramean) before he unsigned. His player was removed, and another player was subsequently put into his nation (Aramean), but freshly spawn. I still have my embassy with this new player.

- Fortresses aren't granting the correct vision bonus for the LT ruleset (ie. it gives 5x5 missing corners [the same as unit vision in LT] not 7x7).

det0r

Kevin (unsigned player)

Hey maho, what is going to happen to kevins cities now that he has unsigned?

Do you have to remove him? Is he just going to sit there for open plunder? I wouldn't mind the Hanging Gardens...

Weird techloosing?

Not sure how it's meant to be implemented, but one of the techs I researched has disappeared :o

Sharing land near Zordac

Sharing land near Zordac

THNX

[quote]"1. Use english language here
2. it didn't start working itself - I just added you to game."[/quote]

Okay, thanks maho :)

system's picture

Introduction

Hi all,

I'm new. I've always been a civ addict, and I've been tinkering with my own fc tilesets and rulesets for 2 years. I figure it's time to see how this thing actually goes down, right?

Job+Wife+Puppy=Life, but that's why I'm here and not on the pubs. If i can figure out how to join this thing, and if it fits with the rest of my lifestyle, i'll see you in there.

:system:
AIM: ngmgrand
GMAIL: vodot7@gmail.com

Aethelend's picture

Hi everyone

New player here. This sounds like a great idea to me. I've always loved civilization games, and this sounds perfect for playing casually and not having to spend so many hours each day.

I'll need some help getting started, though. For one thing, I'm not even sure how to access this game. How would I start off in a game in progress? If someone here could show me the ropes I'd be very much obliged.

-Aethelend

dalius's picture

Some ideas about adding new players

I'm new player added during the game and here is what I see:
* Advances I got are not connected. E.g. I have banking but I don't have anything what is required to invent banking. Most probably that's OK.
* I have 100% research on Despotism. I think that's unfair a little bit :-)
* My war units do not cost me anything. That means with enough money in the future I can upgrade my units for free and have free army. Usually such army would require to use some production in cities.
* I have a lot of galleons I can use for exploring the map but I'm not sure yet how much sea map is worthy in such a big game.

maho's picture

What is "islandi 2"?

What is "islandi 2"?

pipo's picture

Every Island/Continent has a

Every Island/Continent has a number that you can see when clicking the middle button on the 2.1.9 regular client. It will be the number in square brackets on the same line as "Location".

I am surprised to find myself alone on an island that big (about 600 tiles) and I will have to revert from a pirating strategy to a development strategy. That will crash my style... and prevent me from identifying with one of Ayn Rand's heroes or the current Somalians. :-)

--
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. -- Niccolo Machiavelli

edrim's picture

tlgive / tlrecv set to 60/40

It means that (re)spawer got your tech with 60% of succes, and you lost it with 40% chance of loosing it.

maho's picture

Two players? Well, barbarian

Two players?

Well, barbarian is only a nation, I didn't know about consequences of such nationality :).

Two AI

I think he means there were two AI - when I started, there were a couple of AI nations which were taken over by people (ie. they started with cities).

Interesting that tjal can't meet with people though, as they say, it might be a bug because he is the 'Barbarian' Nation.. maybe you should remove them from the list (and maybe randomize it a bit so the Nations arent alphabetical ;P?).

tjal's picture

I am the barbarian...

...and I can't meet with anybody :S

I guess no negotiation with terrorists, eh?

edrim's picture

Hello I am sciencer and

Hello
I am sciencer and trader in this LTeX edition.
I prefer to play peacefull, so if you want to attack me please send me an email first maybe we can deal with it.
If you want to buy a tech i have or i can have shortly send me an email too, i will take gold coins for it.
If one of us loos tech we changed in this transaction we should discuss what next in email form.
You can get embassy from me for your map exchange.

Thanks.
Edrim The LTeX trader.

Edit:this post is for all player in LTeX of course.

maho's picture

I hope you're hallucinating

I hope you're hallucinating :).

That terrain changes patch is not active (and AFAIR is not in this branch of code, it was in 2.0 line).

pipo's picture

I took a snapshot of my

I took a snapshot of my territory and will take another in a few turns. Not that I don't trust you but I need to feed my paranoia. These days it might actually be a healty thing...

maho's picture

I took a snapshot of my

I took a snapshot of my territory and will take another in a few turns. Not that I don't trust you but I need to feed my paranoia. These days it might actually be a healty thing...

If you did it, maybe put it into history page? And write history of your alliance?

maho's picture

put it into history

put it into history page?
oh, it's ltex , I thought that we're talking about LT XVII

maho's picture

Yep, caravans were removed

Yep, caravans were removed from ruleset. I don't remember if only in LTeX or also in mainstream games.

pipo's picture

oh! I see. That should make

oh! I see. That should make it more interesting...

chatbot's picture

Hi! I'm also new to

Hi! I'm also new to longturn. And I also need help on how to join this game.

maho's picture

Hi! I'm also new to

Hi! I'm also new to longturn. And I also need help on how to join this game.

Now you should be able to join without any help.

No more trade

Trade was removed around LTXIV I think

pipo's picture

ok, Thank you!

ok, Thank you!

No new deserts?

I haven't seen any changes in terrain :P

pipo's picture

Tanks, I will keep an eye

Tanks, I will keep an eye on these tiles.

maho's picture

After you clicked "sign me"

New player here. This sounds like a great idea to me. I've always loved civilization games, and this sounds perfect for playing casually and not having to spend so many hours each day.

I'll need some help getting started, though. For one thing, I'm not even sure how to access this game. How would I start off in a game in progress? If someone here could show me the ropes I'd be very much obliged

After you clicked "sign me" , you must wait until I will add you to game (I'm doing it right now). Next you can connect using your nick from website and host/port specified at top of this page.

No caravans!

The players of LTXIV voted to remove Caravans and Freight from the game. For LTXIV and later games, the Caravans never appear in the production choices. They exist, but no city can produce them.

I am not playing LTeX, but in LTXVII, the help text for Caravans declares, "May not be built in cities."

pipo's picture

Welcome back amarriner.

Welcome back amarriner.

maho's picture

* My war units do not cost

* My war units do not cost me anything. That means with enough money in the future I can upgrade my units for free and have free army. Usually such army would require to use some production in cities.
* I have a lot of galleons I can use for exploring the map but I'm not sure yet how much sea map is worthy in such a big game.

Don't they slowly loose their HP?

dalius's picture

* My war units do not cost

Yes you are right about that. Some of them do that slower some faster. Galleons don't do that yet (or it is not visible yet). It looks like I will need to disband them in the cities in exchange for something better :)

pipo's picture

or just attach some of them

or just attach some of them to a city (Change Home City).

this is not possible for

this is not possible for homeless units - so use them, but carefully

pipo's picture

True, I was confused because

True, I was confused because I bribed one and, of course, I was able to change homecity afterward.

maho's picture

ooh, it can be true. Do you

ooh, it can be true. Do you have any unhomecitied unit somewhere to check?

dalius's picture

ooh, it can be true

I have just checked that and you really can't change homecity for those poor homeless warriors. Either they die in battlefield or they die without any use. Disbanding them is the best you can get from them if you don't want to fight.

maho's picture

it's to encourage to attack

it's to encourage to attack with them. Don't worry if you die (or you will leave with one city) - you can always ask for respawn.

dalius's picture

I'm ok with that. But if I

I'm ok with that. But if I will make them patrol they will not die. As well I'm not sure what effect has barack on those units.

pipo's picture

Yes, you a right, I was

Yes, you a right, I was wrong, you can't change homecity on them unless you bribe/buy them from someone else. Disbanding seems a good solution if you want to play a sedentary style otherwise I would do like Maho said and use them to attack some nice and big city (with a wall, preferably, so you get the population intact).

maho's picture

problem with ltex is, that

problem with ltex is, that map is too huge... respawner has too much land around and has no motivation to attack someone ....

it will change sooner or

it will change sooner or later:)

dalius's picture

In this case while map is

In this case while map is huge there are no free islands. At least my galleons explored like 50% of seas and I don't see any island that does not have at least one city.

What I did in this case: I have found one island that fits my needs. There are two players who started building their new cities here. One player was eliminated from this island while other has pikemen. Chariots are useless against veteran (level 3) pikeman on mountain :) So my chartiots now are waiting when this pikeman will climb from this mountain (maybe he will have 10 commandments with him :)). Another alternative for me is to make peace treaty with that player. So much about motivation to attack.

AI slot?

Any chance you can drop me into one of the AI slots? I am keen to play in this.

HowToPlay

try to sign in; wait one turn; log in and play!

Zodrac's picture

Some help

I red the server settings for this game and I have some questions:
1. citytrading=0 means we can't use caravans for establish trade routes between cities?
2. my start posision was on the sea and of course startunits wasn't 'ccccwwxx' but very different (and the gold too); is it correct?

thanks

1. it means that you cannot

1. it means that you cannot give city in diplomacy meeting.
2. in this game you are not starting with def option. According to other players strenght and number of cities in game server gives you starting units and random start location.

skywalker's picture

problem - need help

Hi, I have a problem. When I try to connect, after I wrote the password, in next screen, I cannot enter the game, "my player", skywalker appears to be deatached and, after I select it, button not function. What can I do? (Yesterday was my first turn, but I dont press the button. Is this a problem?)

maho's picture

Are you sure you connect to

Are you sure you connect to right port? (555)

I think you connect to LT XVI, so you can login, but you're not participating in that game.

edrim's picture

I am still detachet too, is

I am still detachet too, is it any command to start in a game this time?
I wrote an email to respawn but i didn appear in the game.

skywalker's picture

thanks

I think the port was the problem. I save configuration, but maybe the port was wrong. I'm in, with 5555. Thanks.

pipo's picture

Strange

The game is at turn 6 now on my screen. I started to play 3 turns ago and everything is fine. I got 2 settlers, 5 warriors and about 700 gold. When I do a demographics report, I am 3rd in population with 20000 (2), 3rd also in settled area, 2nd in production and 4th in economics, how is that possible, with only 3 turns of play and 2 cities. Maybe people are not playing?
On another note, I was able to login fine 24 hrs after the initial 'detached session'. The real problem was to find this new thread Ltex2.1-2 but all is fine now.

--
You can't fool an honest man. -- Old saying among con men

maho's picture

When I do a demographics

When I do a demographics report, I am 3rd in population with 20000 (2), 3rd also in settled area, 2nd in production and 4th in economics, how is that possible, with only 3 turns of play and 2 cities.

Why it's strange? Eg. I haven't found all my cities yet (all - 2 cities). It's just very early stage of game - no time to make existing players stronger than newcomers.

Don't forget that algorithm tries to make you as strong as average player on the map.

pipo's picture

I see. I was expecting

I see. I was expecting players to create cities more quickly.

help

how to start this game?

my log from connection attempt:

Freeciv to wolnodostępne oprogramowanie i możesz rozdawać jego kopie pod
określonymi warunkami; Zobacz "Kopiowanie" w menu Pomoc.
A teraz im dokop!!!
Welcome to the Freeciv version 2.1.8 Server running at raptor.pagema.net port 5555.
You are logged in as 'Blob' connected to no player.
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on silvano to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on dead2 to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on kevin551 to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on woj11 to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on skywalker to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on edrim to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on det0r to finish turn...
(server prompt): 'save lastsave.sav.gz'
Rozłączono z serwerem.
Zapisano ustawienia w pliku C:\Documents and Settings\Rafal\Dane aplikacji/.civclientrc
Welcome to the Freeciv version 2.1.8 Server running at raptor.pagema.net port 5555.
You are logged in as 'Blob' connected to no player.
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on silvano to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on dead2 to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on kevin551 to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on woj11 to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on skywalker to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on edrim to finish turn...
Turn-blocking game play: waiting on det0r to finish turn...
/observe: You are not allowed to use this command.

1. jeśli nie jesteś to

1. jeśli nie jesteś to musisz się zapisać
2. maho musi stworzyć playera i połączyć z twoim nickiem

Jakoś samo

Jakoś samo zadziałało
dzięki za chęć pomocy

maho's picture

1. Use english language

1. Use english language here
2. it didn't start working itself - I just added you to game.

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